From Matthias at KuntzeM.de Fri Aug 1 11:26:57 2025 From: Matthias at KuntzeM.de (Matthias Kuntze) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 13:26:57 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Mails :: Automatic expunge of local Trash folder In-Reply-To: <5cda7d1c24bc82927c454013135c53be1accd030.camel@redhat.com> References: <603845e488d62dbf7bed720b65eee5caa35e5d47.camel@redhat.com> <1b38af677081b7d4d098b6c00c311ee082bdc0f9.camel@KuntzeM.de> <42a373f4d1589a94be61a5bd55b1746ac86e3e48.camel@KuntzeM.de> <5cda7d1c24bc82927c454013135c53be1accd030.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <8bc576efb2b3292dbbe36cfa11630ad18229fc25.camel@KuntzeM.de> Am Donnerstag, dem 31.07.2025 um 18:15 +0200 schrieb Milan Crha via evolution-users: > On Thu, 2025-07-31 at 14:52 +0200, Matthias Kuntze wrote: > > Does this module exist somewhere or do I have to code it? > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/wikis/Extensions#example-module Thank you, Milan, I'm reading these informations. > It may look scary, but it's not a long code, it's only tricky when > one > is not familiar with the libcamel API and does not know how to get to > it in the Evolution. To be honest, it does not look easy for me. I have to learn more about the libcamel API to better understand your code. > P.S.: I only outlined what I think can work. I may come into other > ways > when implementing it and testing it in action. Maybe if I'll find > some > time tomorrow, I can provide you the code, which you'll just tweak to > your liking. That would be very nice. Rgs, Matthias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi, you are right, it's not easy when one sees it for the first time. The attached file is a simplified example module, all in a single file. There is a comment at the top with some instructions what to do. It is for package-based evolution, doing the same for the Flatpak version would be different. There is no warranty. It seemed to do something sane here, but it can explode on your machine, thus be careful. ;) Bye, Milan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to learn more > > about the libcamel API to better understand your code. > The attached file is a simplified example module, all in a single > file. > There is no warranty. It seemed to do something sane here, but it can > explode on your machine, thus be careful. ;) Thanks Milan for your effort. I'll read/build it carefully hopefully with success. You are incredible. Thanks! Matthias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tabs in Preferences->Certificates are: Your Certificates - S/MIME certificate Contact Certificates - S/MIME certificates of partner email senders Authorities - the trust store Mail - user added trusted mail servers Janos -- sent from andraslinux machine https://jgklinux.jangkom.com/ On Fri, 2025-08-01 at 00:28 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > However the > > * Your Certificates tab is empty on my machine (Gentoo linux). > > There is > > an Import button, but what to import? > > It's empty on mine as well. > > You need to obtain an S/Mime certificate - it's not something you can > easily generate yourself: you should get one from a trusted > certification authority, unfortunately, it will mean spending money. > Once you get the certificate you will be able to import it into > Evolution. > > > * Mail tab is empty (as for the Your Certificate tab). There is an > > Update button, but nothing happens. > > > This contains the SSL certificates of the mail server(s) you trust - > I > think they are the certificates that you explicitly trust, rather > than > trust through certificate signing - i.e. ones that aren't signed and > you get a pop-up that says "Do you trust this host"; if you click on > "yes", it will appear in that list.? If all the mail servers you use > have properly signed certificates, then this tab will probably be > empty. > > P. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 228 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From janos at andraslinux.jgklinux.jangkom.com Tue Aug 5 22:31:28 2025 From: janos at andraslinux.jgklinux.jangkom.com (janos) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2025 18:31:28 -0400 Subject: [Evolution-users] Preferences/Certificates - correction In-Reply-To: <641645068b6a8967d88620ed034d9e4d4ec832a9.camel@biggs.org.uk> References: <2f85d38ceb682890faad295f712c665e10b9e132.camel@andraslinux.jgklinux.jangkom.com> <8227607e3b7fe2f729be577b7d209c279e0ee066.camel@biggs.org.uk> <9ffaf33a2770519c4110f17721bf10bfdc01a648.camel@andraslinux.jgklinux.jangkom.com> <641645068b6a8967d88620ed034d9e4d4ec832a9.camel@biggs.org.uk> Message-ID: <7f11f5771da17c840f9601d2b386721407a4a500.camel@andraslinux.jgklinux.jangkom.com> Sorry for the sign discrepancy. My response was delayed because I wanted to sign my email, and it did not work. gpg system is overly complicated, but I think I now have the grasp of it. Yet, when I created a new key (I was unable to debug the old one) I made typo in the email adres. Now corrected. Thanks again for your help, Janos -- sent from andraslinux machine https://jgklinux.jangkom.com/ On Fri, 2025-08-01 at 00:28 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > However the > > * Your Certificates tab is empty on my machine (Gentoo linux). > > There is > > an Import button, but what to import? > > It's empty on mine as well. > > You need to obtain an S/Mime certificate - it's not something you can > easily generate yourself: you should get one from a trusted > certification authority, unfortunately, it will mean spending money. > Once you get the certificate you will be able to import it into > Evolution. > > > * Mail tab is empty (as for the Your Certificate tab). There is an > > Update button, but nothing happens. > > > This contains the SSL certificates of the mail server(s) you trust - > I > think they are the certificates that you explicitly trust, rather > than > trust through certificate signing - i.e. ones that aren't signed and > you get a pop-up that says "Do you trust this host"; if you click on > "yes", it will appear in that list.? If all the mail servers you use > have properly signed certificates, then this tab will probably be > empty. > > P. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Today it decided to extinguish all its windows, and doesn't open new ones I ran it from the command line with no options and it reported (org.gnome.Evolution:11433): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 16:19:37.058: _gtk_css_lookup_resolve: assertion '(((__extension__ ({ GTypeInstance *__inst = (GTypeInstance*) ((provider)); GType __t = ((_gtk_style_provider_private_get_type ())); gboolean __r; if (!__inst) __r = (0); else if (__inst->g_class && __inst->g_class->g_type == __t) __r = (!(0)); else __r = g_type_check_instance_is_a (__inst, __t); __r; }))))' failed ? (org.gnome.Evolution:11433): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 16:19:37.058: g_object_set_data_full: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed ? (org.gnome.Evolution:11433): Gtk-ERROR **: 16:19:37.058: Can't create a GtkStyleContext without a display connection after which it's not running. If I run it using evolution --display=":0" it reports (org.gnome.Evolution:15052): Gtk-WARNING **: 16:35:55.940: Only strings supported after ':': \xe9: : \xe9 ? (org.gnome.Evolution:15052): Gtk-WARNING **: 16:35:55.940: Only strings supported after ':': \xe9: : \xe9 and it puts an item in the KDE Plasma task bar. Right-click on that box offers a menu with many items, including "New Window" and "Mail"? ? which don't do anything other than showing a little jumping "evolution" icon for about ten seconds. I hadn't done any updates, so I don't think it was Debian or Evolution doing this. I suspect Evolution (or somebody else) changed something in a .xyx directory or file, but I have no idea which one to delete ? or if I'm expected to edit it I have no idea what to change. How do I get Evolution working again? My mail archive is MH format and I don't know if there's another way to read it other than as ugly plain text. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 11 00:02:10 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Evolution not opening a window in Debian 13 Trixie In-Reply-To: <95767776.3967012.1754869630073@mail.yahoo.com> References: <95767776.3967012.1754869630073.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <95767776.3967012.1754869630073@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26cd5d995899fc67b47bde2d4c3d6b5bc9195c96.camel@sbcglobal.net> I booted to Debian 12 Bookworm, with the same home directory, and it works. Now I'm even more confused. On Sun, 2025-08-10 at 23:47 +0000, van snyder wrote: > I'm running? version 3.56.1-1 in Debian Trixie using KDE Plasme > version 6.3.6 on Wayland (not X11). > > Today it decided to extinguish all its windows, and doesn't open new > ones > > I ran it from the command line with no options and it reported > > > (org.gnome.Evolution:11433): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 16:19:37.058: > > _gtk_css_lookup_resolve: assertion '(((__extension__ ({ > > GTypeInstance *__inst = (GTypeInstance*) ((provider)); GType __t = > > ((_gtk_style_provider_private_get_type ())); gboolean __r; if > > (!__inst) __r = (0); else if (__inst->g_class && __inst->g_class- > > >g_type == __t) __r = (!(0)); else __r = g_type_check_instance_is_a > > (__inst, __t); __r; }))))' failed > > ? > > (org.gnome.Evolution:11433): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: > > 16:19:37.058: g_object_set_data_full: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT > > (object)' failed > > ? > > (org.gnome.Evolution:11433): Gtk-ERROR **: 16:19:37.058: Can't > > create a GtkStyleContext without a display connection > > > after which it's not running. > > If I run it using evolution --display=":0" > > it reports > > > (org.gnome.Evolution:15052): Gtk-WARNING **: 16:35:55.940: Only > > strings supported after ':': \xe9: : > > \xe9 > > ? > > (org.gnome.Evolution:15052): Gtk-WARNING **: 16:35:55.940: Only > > strings supported after ':': \xe9: : \xe9 > > > and it puts an item in the KDE Plasma task bar. Right-click on that > box offers a menu with many items, including "New Window" and "Mail"? > ? which don't do anything other than showing a little jumping > "evolution" icon for about ten seconds. > > I hadn't done any updates, so I don't think it was Debian or > Evolution doing this. I suspect Evolution (or somebody else) changed > something in a .xyx directory or file, but I have no idea which one > to delete ? or if I'm expected to edit it I have no idea what to > change. > > How do I get Evolution working again? > > My mail archive is MH format and I don't know if there's another way > to read it other than as ugly plain text. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcrha at redhat.com Mon Aug 11 06:36:29 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2025 08:36:29 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Evolution not opening a window in Debian 13 Trixie In-Reply-To: <26cd5d995899fc67b47bde2d4c3d6b5bc9195c96.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <95767776.3967012.1754869630073.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <95767776.3967012.1754869630073@mail.yahoo.com> <26cd5d995899fc67b47bde2d4c3d6b5bc9195c96.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 2025-08-11 at 02:02 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > I booted to Debian 12 Bookworm, with the same home directory, and it > works. Now I'm even more confused. Hi, I'm sorry, I do not have much idea, I do not recall seeing this before. > ...on Wayland (not X11). ... > If I run it using evolution --display=":0" The `--display` option is more for the X11 and it does not propagate down to the WebKitGTK. It's left for backward compatibility, sort of. I guess the system/environment variables are not set properly, thus it confuses the gtk3 (and eventually WebKitGTK). My Wayland GNOME session has set these DISPLAY-related variables in the system: $ set | grep DISP DISPLAY=:0 GNOME_SETUP_DISPLAY=:1 WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0 Maybe there's missing xorg-x11-server-Xwayland? In any case, this is lower in the stack, not in the Evolution itself, I'm afraid. If a gtk3-demo works properly, then maybe your distro builds with clutter, then it could be something with it, but I'm only plain guessing here. If switching from Wayland to X11 would work, then consider it as a workaround. Bye, Milan From evolution at metani.fr Tue Aug 12 05:58:13 2025 From: evolution at metani.fr (David Lecompte) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 07:58:13 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Save local synchronization to local folders while server is offline Message-ID: <19a1463e9261222287e347e6a00d31a3dc09687d.camel@metani.fr> Hello, For all email accounts, I check "Synchronize remote mail locally in all folders" and I have everything accessible locally, even offline. The server of some email accounts is offline and may not be able to restore past email when back online (I am in control of that, so it won't go online unexpectedly). Emails in my local synchronization are perfectly readable,?so I was thinking to copy them to a local folder on the computer, and whenever the server becomes online again, I can copy them back there. However, when I try to move or copy any email from such an account to a local folder on the computer, using the graphical interface, evolution seems to want to access the server and then won't copy or move the local version to the local folder, even though the message is entirely readable locally. Is there a way to do such a copy? Or another alternative to preserve those messages so that I can put them back on the server once it becomes available again? If that matters, I am on evolution 3.52.3. Cheers, David. -- David Lecompte From mcrha at redhat.com Tue Aug 12 11:33:12 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:33:12 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Save local synchronization to local folders while server is offline In-Reply-To: <19a1463e9261222287e347e6a00d31a3dc09687d.camel@metani.fr> References: <19a1463e9261222287e347e6a00d31a3dc09687d.camel@metani.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, 2025-08-12 at 07:58 +0200, David Lecompte wrote: > Is there a way to do such a copy? Or another alternative to preserve > those messages so that I can put them back on the server once it > becomes available again? Hi, when Evolution is online, it always tries to connect to the server first, only then it runs the actual operation. It's kinda dull in your case, though it works well in other cases. Try to switch Evolution into the offline state, either by File->Work Offline, or by running it from a terminal with `evolution --offline` . Otherwise, local cache of a remote account is stored under ~/.cache/evolution/mail// What precisely the directory contains depends on the account type. For the IMAP account this directory contains a subdirectory called `folders`, which then contains respective folders and if it has any messages they are stored in a `cur` subdirectory. The messages are stored in the same way they are stored on the server and can be imported into the Evolution, or you can concatenate them into an MBOX format (it requires special processing, both adding a delimiter between the messages and escaping the messages to not contain accidental delimiter in the text, thus better to use some tool for it) or even better create a test folder under On This Computer, then search for it under ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ - say you named it "xxx" and placed it directly under the On This Computer, then it'll be: ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.xxx/ on the disk. It'll contain `cur`, `new` and `tmp` directories, which belong to the Maildir format. You can copy the message files in the `~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.xxx/new/` then select the folder in the Evolution and when you'll leave it (move away to another folder), then it'll notice you've new messages and will show them. It's a more manual work, but requires no changes of the message content, which is better, because such changes can break (digital) message signatures. Bye, Milan From ogio.spam at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 14:04:10 2025 From: ogio.spam at gmail.com (ogio.spam) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 16:04:10 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft Message-ID: Hi all, I'm using Evolution 3.56.2 from Fedora 42 official repo. I configured a new account using Microsoft 365 and all sent email from evolution are shown as draft on Outlook web interface (also on outlook on Android). Even if I copy a message from local folder to the Office365 folder the copied message is shown as draft. I can't understand why and I didn't found similar issue. Can you provide some help to solve that? Regards ?Ambrogio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcrha at redhat.com Tue Aug 12 15:16:35 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 17:16:35 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> On Tue, 2025-08-12 at 16:04 +0200, ogio.spam via evolution-users wrote: > I can't understand why and I didn't found similar issue. > > Can you provide some help to solve that? Hi, I agree, it's not good. The message is stored to the Sent Items on the server by the Exchange server. The evolution-ews uses the sendMail API [1]. It looks like a bug on the Exchange server side. There is one other bug, the messages cannot be added to the server to other than the Drafts folder, but when they are there, they have set that "is-draft" flag, even when moved to a different folder. It looks like the sendMail API does something like that under the hood too, like it saves the message to the Drafts folder, then it sends it, and then it moves it to the Sent Items folder, just like the client would do in three calls. I only guess this, though. Bye, Milan [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/graph/api/user-sendmail?view=graph-rest-1.0&tabs=http From ogio.spam at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 15:40:04 2025 From: ogio.spam at gmail.com (ogio.spam) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 17:40:04 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft In-Reply-To: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> References: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <671e5e30980170f32dd48f84b93c0b824f7678b7.camel@gmail.com> Il giorno mar, 12/08/2025 alle 17.16 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution- users ha scritto: > Hello Milan, > I agree, it's not good. The message is stored to the Sent Items on the > server by the Exchange server. The evolution-ews uses the sendMail > API [1]. It looks like a bug on the Exchange server side. > So I don't understand if I can do something to solve the issue. I can see there is also a Exchange Web connection on the server Type. Can it be used, and if yes, should be better? Regards Ambrogio From mcrha at redhat.com Tue Aug 12 16:21:13 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 18:21:13 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft In-Reply-To: <671e5e30980170f32dd48f84b93c0b824f7678b7.camel@gmail.com> References: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> <671e5e30980170f32dd48f84b93c0b824f7678b7.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89b1b5a0e0990d857a39f914c884646d45b9d595.camel@redhat.com> On Tue, 2025-08-12 at 17:40 +0200, ogio.spam via evolution-users wrote: > So I don't understand if I can do something to solve the issue. Hi, neither you nor me can do about it anything, maybe apart of filling a bug in the Microsoft bug tracker, but I do not know where they have any such thing, if at all. Their forums do not count, I saw a three years old request to get to the contact lists with the Microsoft Graph API, which is still not fixed after all those years, despite it's supposed to replace the Exchange Web Services protocol. > I can see there is also a Exchange Web connection on the server Type. > Can it be used, and if yes, should be better? Yes, it works better, but not for long. Microsoft is going to disable the Exchange Web Services protocol for the office365.com site later this year. Is there any specific problem about the draft flag apart of the visual distraction? I do not mean the visual distraction is easy to get used to it, I completely understand how irritating these can be, I'm only wondering whether other apps (Evolution ignores that flag) do anything specific for the messages with the drafts flag set. Bye, Milan From ogio.spam at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 19:20:59 2025 From: ogio.spam at gmail.com (ogio.spam) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 21:20:59 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft In-Reply-To: <89b1b5a0e0990d857a39f914c884646d45b9d595.camel@redhat.com> References: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> <671e5e30980170f32dd48f84b93c0b824f7678b7.camel@gmail.com> <89b1b5a0e0990d857a39f914c884646d45b9d595.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6d5dced6099fd8ea65266e8d52294c1776446309.camel@gmail.com> Il giorno mar, 12/08/2025 alle 18.21 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution- users ha scritto: > > Is there any specific problem about the draft flag apart of the visual > distraction? I do not mean the visual distraction is easy to get used > to it, I completely understand how irritating these can be, I'm only > wondering whether other apps (Evolution ignores that flag) do anything > specific for the messages with the drafts flag set. > > Bye, > Milan > It's only an Aesthetic issue on my smartphone outlook app. I will ignore it definitely Many thanks for your support Regards ?Ambrogio? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 12 20:54:30 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account References: Message-ID: I have an account in my "Preferences" page named @w.van.snyder at gmail.com. Evolution has "helpfully" added it to my list. It never worked. I get a periodic "Failed to connect to address book "w.van.snyder at gmail.com?: Address Book" with Reconnect, Open Settings, X and "close all 2 messages" buttons, and "Error while checking for new mail at "w.van.snyder at gmail.com" with X and "close all 2 messages" buttons. There are subtitles "Failed to obtain an access token for ?Address Book?: No credentials found in the keyring." There's no box in the "Enabled" column in the Preferences page. When I right-click on it, a box pops up saying "This account was created through the Online Accounts service." There is a button "Open Online Accounts" that does nothing. Double-left-click brings up the Account Editor window but there's no "Receiving Mail" or "Sending Mail" tabs. How do I get rid of it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 12 21:20:33 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 14:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't open folder in On This Computer accunt References: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> I have an "On THis Computer" account, type maildir. When Evolution 2.56.1-1 on Debian 13 Trixie starts, it randomly chooses to try to open a folder in that account, and then fails to open it. I can open some but not all other folders in the same account. When an account is being opened, there's a box in the bottom border pane "Opening folder save/3059-sv" etc. Clicking on the little red circle with two dots adds "(closing)" but it never closes. The ownerships and permissions of the folders that don't open are the same as those that do open. How do I open those folders? Are there options I can use when I launch Evolution to get some clues? Is there a log? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at biggs.org.uk Tue Aug 12 22:27:28 2025 From: pete at biggs.org.uk (Pete Biggs) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 23:27:28 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't open folder in On This Computer accunt In-Reply-To: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <233d4ed4e7271fbbf79adc45e386c77a81756ff3.camel@biggs.org.uk> > > Are there options I can use when I launch Evolution to get some > clues? Is there a log? One of the standard answers on this mailing list is "run evolution from the command line". That will show up any system errors. Beyond that there are debugging environment variables. See https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging as pointed to by the builtin help pages. I can't see any specific options for the Maildir local backend, so you may have to use 'CAMEL_DEBUG=all', but that will produce a lot of output! P. From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 13 01:39:25 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 18:39:25 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't open folder in On This Computer accunt In-Reply-To: <233d4ed4e7271fbbf79adc45e386c77a81756ff3.camel@biggs.org.uk> References: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> <233d4ed4e7271fbbf79adc45e386c77a81756ff3.camel@biggs.org.uk> Message-ID: <422a1b91f2cd023ab913ff02a5750be012c9fb82.camel@sbcglobal.net> The problem isn't actually in the "On This Computer" account. I use Evolution 3.46.4-2 in Debian 12 Bookworm, and whatever newer one comes with the Debian 13 Trixie distro (maybe 3.54.1-1). I have a "Storage" directory. It's Email address under "Properties" is ~/mail/@here. Its server type is MH-format. In both versions of Evolution, I have two stuck folders, and many that work fine in the folders that contain the stuck folders. I searched for "stuck folders in evolution" and the google AI said to delete xyz.ev-summary, but there are no *.ev-summary files. I have xyz.cmeta, xyz.ibex.index and xyz.ibex.index.data files. Can I safely delete them as an experiment to see if that unsticks them? When evolution starts, it tries to open one of them. When I cancel opening by pushing the little red button with two dots, it adds "(cancelling)" but never gets around to cancel trying to open it. The other stuck folder isn't initially opened, but when I try to open it by clicking on it in the left pane, it gets stuck. I don't know what kind of anomalous stuff to look for in ~/.local/share/evolution. Van Snyder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcrha at redhat.com Wed Aug 13 07:55:44 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 09:55:44 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> On Tue, 2025-08-12 at 22:54 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > When I right-click on it, a box pops up saying "This account was > created through the Online Accounts service." Hi, that's it, the account was configured elsewhere, in this case in the gnome-online-accounts. If you are running GNOME (which you probably do not), then run Settings (gnome-control-center) and there are Online Accounts, where you can manage them. As I guess you do not run GNOME and the gnome-control-center requires the system to be GNOME, you can workaround it with: XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center It can be the reason why "nothing happens" when you click on the "Open Online Accounts" button, the gnome-control-center claims on the terminal that it cannot run because it's not GNOME and quits immediately. If neither of that works, edit ~/.config/goa-1.0/accounts.conf file and remove the account from there and then restart the machine. Bye, Milan From mcrha at redhat.com Wed Aug 13 08:03:59 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 10:03:59 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't open folder in On This Computer accunt In-Reply-To: <422a1b91f2cd023ab913ff02a5750be012c9fb82.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> <233d4ed4e7271fbbf79adc45e386c77a81756ff3.camel@biggs.org.uk> <422a1b91f2cd023ab913ff02a5750be012c9fb82.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <75142632f1cf22c662161103bea5d896021abe7e.camel@redhat.com> On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 03:39 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > I have xyz.cmeta, xyz.ibex.index and xyz.ibex.index.data files. Can I > safely delete them as an experiment to see if that unsticks them? Hi, yes, you can delete them. They will be recreated, if needed. There is also ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/folders.db file, which can be somehow broken. Try to rename it (do not delete it) to something else, like: cd ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/; mv folders.db folders.db.bad It may not help if it's not broken. It also contains things like message labels, follow up flags and the like, thus they get lost when you move away the current file. It's the reason why I suggest to move the file only, to be able to return it back if needed. Do this while Evolution is not running. Apart of this, the best would be to install debuginfo packages for the evolution-data-server (especially libcamel, if it's split in your distro) and then grab backtrace of the Evolution process to see what it is trying to do. You can get the backtrace with a command like this: $ gdb --batch --ex "t a a bt" --pid=`pidof evolution` &>bt.txt Please check the bt.txt for any private information, like passwords, email addresses, server addresses,... I usually search for "pass" at least (quotes for clarity only), before sharing it anywhere. Bye, Milan From ogio.spam at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 08:29:46 2025 From: ogio.spam at gmail.com (ogio.spam) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 10:29:46 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft In-Reply-To: <89b1b5a0e0990d857a39f914c884646d45b9d595.camel@redhat.com> References: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> <671e5e30980170f32dd48f84b93c0b824f7678b7.camel@gmail.com> <89b1b5a0e0990d857a39f914c884646d45b9d595.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: Il giorno mar, 12/08/2025 alle 18.21 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution- users ha scritto: > Hi, > neither you nor me can do about it anything, maybe apart of filling a > bug in the Microsoft bug tracker, but I do not know where they have any > such thing, if at all. Their forums do not count, I saw a three years > old request to get to the contact lists with the Microsoft Graph API, > which is still not fixed after all those years, despite it's supposed > to replace the Exchange Web Services protocol. > Hello Milan, I had some test. If I remove the option to save message in the sent folder, the sent message stay in sent folder :-) but without the draft flag. After that, if I move the message in another folder no draft flag is set. The problem is that the most important option (save reply in the folder of the original message) is not applicable. Can this be usefull in order to change the behaviour of sending message and moving it after it appear in sent folder? Regards Ambrogio From mcrha at redhat.com Wed Aug 13 12:21:31 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 14:21:31 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft In-Reply-To: References: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> <671e5e30980170f32dd48f84b93c0b824f7678b7.camel@gmail.com> <89b1b5a0e0990d857a39f914c884646d45b9d595.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 10:29 +0200, ogio.spam via evolution-users wrote: > The problem is that the most important option (save reply in the > folder of the original message) is not applicable. Hi, I suppose you mean: not applicable without "gaining" the draft flag. I did not know we talk about the "save reply in the folder of the original message". It explains what you see and, also with your tests, voids my previous "the Graph API has a bug". Then sending the message and let the server save it to the Sent Items does _not_ add the draft flag (as all is done on the server and by the server). That's good. Saving to the original folder means appending the message to the folder. The related code in the sources contains this comment: /* As of 2024-09-26, cannot upload message directly to the folder_id, because the server returns: {"error":{"code":"UnableToDeserializePostBody","message":"were unable to deserialize "}} thus upload to the Drafts folder and then move the message to the right place. */ The problem is that the "isDraft" flag [1] is described as: Indicates whether the message is a draft. A message is a draft if it hasn't been sent yet. which probably means even if the message is created in other than the Drafts folder it would have set the flag. I cannot test it due to the above bug/code-comment. > Can this be usefull in order to change the behaviour of sending > message and moving it after it appear in sent folder? I see, I know what you mean. The answer is yes... mostly. The 'yes' is for 'yes, it would work and might get rid of the isDraft flag on the messages'. The 'mostly' is for 'doing so would be somehow complicated". There are several obstacles here: a) the API does not return the ID of the added message in the Sent Items folder, thus one would need to search for it in that folder, which could mean some errors in some cases, apart of taking some time to find the message b) the message send works as follows: - evolution asks some part of the code to send the message - when succeeded, the evolution asks another part of the code to save the sent message to the sent folder, according to the account settings and such. It can skip this, if the sending part claimed it saved the sent message; These two parts of the code do not know about each other. c) the sent message saved by the server can be slightly different from the original message (mostly removed evolution-related headers) I'm not saying it's impossible to do, the evolution-ews can access the needed information (apart of the sent message ID on the server), it just might be for some price. If you'd like to, feel free to fill an enhancement request against the evolution-ews project [2]. If there is no better workaround at the moment, then it can be it. No promises when I'd get to it, though. Thanks and bye, Milan [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/graph/api/resources/message?view=graph-rest-1.0 [2] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/-/issues/ From gerdesj at blueloop.net Wed Aug 13 15:10:55 2025 From: gerdesj at blueloop.net (Jon Gerdes) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:10:55 +0000 Subject: [Evolution-users] Access shared mailboxes in Microsoft 365 Message-ID: Dear all I used to use Evolution EWS to access an on-prem Exchange server. Now I have been migrated to the cloud and have switched my account to use Microsoft 365 which is fine for just my mailbox. I used to be able to "Subscribe to folders of other users" with EWS but there is no similar option available now, that I can find. Is there a way to access shared mailboxes and calendars with MS365 or is that on the to do list? Cheers Jon From mcrha at redhat.com Wed Aug 13 15:31:24 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 17:31:24 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Access shared mailboxes in Microsoft 365 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e9f350a6838ac8d5d8b2d205831110540c25a25.camel@redhat.com> On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 17:10 +0200, Jon Gerdes wrote: > Is there a way to access shared mailboxes and calendars with MS365 or > is that on the to do list? Hi, it's currently (including the upcoming 3.58.x series) not possible to do. When a user shares a calendar with you, which can be done from the evolution too, simply right-click the m365 calendar and pick Permissions from it, then the server sends also an "invitation" mail, which allows you to subscribe to it (though only EWS can read it at the moment). If I'm not mistaken, if you'll use https://outlook.office365.com/mail and subscribe to that calendar there (click a button in that mail), then it'll show up in the Evolution too, the next time it'll re-check what calendars are provided by the server. Not so great, I'm sorry. There [1] is no bug filled for this yet. I do not know whether the Microsoft Graph API allows any such thing, it's more limiting than the EWS protocol in many aspects. Bye, Milan [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/-/issues/ From gerdesj at blueloop.net Wed Aug 13 15:58:31 2025 From: gerdesj at blueloop.net (Jon Gerdes) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:58:31 +0000 Subject: [Evolution-users] Access shared mailboxes in Microsoft 365 In-Reply-To: <1e9f350a6838ac8d5d8b2d205831110540c25a25.camel@redhat.com> References: <1e9f350a6838ac8d5d8b2d205831110540c25a25.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <73ab2dd98b2ca9f2dbc1d950080bc9ceb53defad.camel@blueloop.net> On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 17:31 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 17:10 +0200, Jon Gerdes wrote: > > Is there a way to access shared mailboxes and calendars with MS365 > > or > > is that on the to do list? > > Hi, > it's currently (including the upcoming 3.58.x series) not possible to > do. When a user shares a calendar with you, which can be done from > the > evolution too, simply right-click the m365 calendar and pick > Permissions from it, then the server sends also an "invitation" mail, > which allows you to subscribe to it (though only EWS can read it at > the > moment). If I'm not mistaken, if you'll use > https://outlook.office365.com/mail?and subscribe to that calendar > there > (click a button in that mail), then it'll show up in the Evolution > too, > the next time it'll re-check what calendars are provided by the > server. > Not so great, I'm sorry. > > There [1] is no bug filled for this yet. I do not know whether the > Microsoft Graph API allows any such thing, it's more limiting than > the > EWS protocol in many aspects. > > Bye, > Milan > > [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/-/issues/ Hi Milan Thank you for the quick reply. I'll live with webmail for shared stuff for now and look into how to file a feature request properly. Cheers Jon From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 13 18:02:16 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:02:16 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account In-Reply-To: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> References: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 09:55 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > As I guess you do not run GNOME and the gnome-control-center requires > the system to be GNOME, you can workaround it with: > > ?? XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center Is this an environment setting or an Evolution command-line option? I tried the latter and it said "Cannot import any of the given URIs" I don't run bash. If it's an environment setting, how do I do it in tcsh? > It can be the reason why "nothing happens" when you click on the > "Open > Online Accounts" button, the gnome-control-center claims on the > terminal that it cannot run because it's not GNOME and quits > immediately. > > If neither of that works, edit ~/.config/goa-1.0/accounts.conf file > and > remove the account from there and then restart the machine. I marked all the settings false and restarted Evolution, but the account persisted. Do I really need to reboot? Would simply deleting the file work? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poc at usb.ve Wed Aug 13 20:57:47 2025 From: poc at usb.ve (Patrick O'Callaghan) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 21:57:47 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account In-Reply-To: References: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <112b8dae0bc0bfcda0247d65fdf8bef01f7f8703.camel@usb.ve> On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 11:02 -0700, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > > ?? XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center > > Is this an environment setting or an Evolution command-line option? I > tried the latter and it said "Cannot import any of the given URIs" > > Since it's placed before the command, it's an environment setting. > I don't run bash. If it's an environment setting, how do I do it in > tcsh? As far as I know, all Linux shells do this in exactly the same way. poc From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 13 21:15:40 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 14:15:40 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account In-Reply-To: <112b8dae0bc0bfcda0247d65fdf8bef01f7f8703.camel@usb.ve> References: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> <112b8dae0bc0bfcda0247d65fdf8bef01f7f8703.camel@usb.ve> Message-ID: <3c9f85c956ca36aa0e63944cbd6ad41eed566577.camel@sbcglobal.net> On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 21:57 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 11:02 -0700, Van Snyder via evolution-users > wrote: > > > ?? XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center > > > > Is this an environment setting or an Evolution command-line option? > > I > > tried the latter and it said "Cannot import any of the given URIs" > > > > > > Since it's placed before the command, it's an environment setting. > > > I don't run bash. If it's an environment setting, how do I do it in > > tcsh? > > As far as I know, all Linux shells do this in exactly the same way. In tcsh (and csh) XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center results in " Using "XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME: Command not found." tcsh (and csh) use a "setenv NAME value" syntax to set environment variables. setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME gnome-control-center results in "setenv: Too many arguments." So I read some bash stuff and realized that XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center has the dual purpose of setting an environment variable and launching a program. In tcsh (and csh) one would need a semicolon after "GNOME", or two lines: setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME;?gnome-control-center setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME gnome-control-center -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center > > > > > > Is this an environment setting or an Evolution command-line option? > > > I > > > tried the latter and it said "Cannot import any of the given URIs" > > > > > > > > > > Since it's placed before the command, it's an environment setting. > > > > > I don't run bash. If it's an environment setting, how do I do it in > > > tcsh? > > > > As far as I know, all Linux shells do this in exactly the same way. > > In tcsh (and csh) > > XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center > > results in " > > Using "XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME: Command not found." > > My mistake. It's been a good 30 years or more since I've used tcsh. > tcsh (and csh) use a "setenv NAME value" syntax to set environment > variables. > > setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME gnome-control-center > > results in "setenv: Too many arguments." setenv takes two arguments, the variable and value. You have three, but see below. > So I read some bash stuff and realized that > > XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center > > has the dual purpose of setting an environment variable and launching a > program. > > Indeed. Note that in this Bash version the environment variable is only set for the program being called, and is then forgotten. If you want it to persist you need to do 'VAR=value; export VAR'. > In tcsh (and csh) one would need a semicolon after "GNOME", or two > lines: > > setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME;?gnome-control-center > > setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME > gnome-control-center Alternatively: $ env XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center which should work independently of what Shell you're using). See env(1). poc From luigic at fgcint.com Wed Aug 13 23:59:31 2025 From: luigic at fgcint.com (Luigi Cantoni) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 07:59:31 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Sent messages using Microsoft 365 are seen in outlook web as Draft In-Reply-To: References: <77436d71e9955ad49cceca46319d0be897fe1e49.camel@redhat.com> <671e5e30980170f32dd48f84b93c0b824f7678b7.camel@gmail.com> <89b1b5a0e0990d857a39f914c884646d45b9d595.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <8e13806c95d357742571298b8f7a4166331e3e6f.camel@fgcint.com> On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 14:21 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 10:29 +0200, ogio.spam via evolution-users wrote: > > The problem is that the most important option (save reply in the > > folder of the original message) is not applicable. > > Hi, > I suppose you mean: not applicable without "gaining" the draft flag. Hi all, I think this might be related. I have noticed that to make "Save replies and forwards in the folder of the original message" to work you must have "Sent message in sent folder" must always be on. This to me seams wrong but you if you are correct that first it goes to the sent folder and then to the folder you wanted then I suppose it makes some sense. To me the first flag should not be needed and it should just go straight to your original folder in the sending process. As you have indicated for the problem observed the draft flag must be set on the way through. Maybe a look at how this whole area works may clear it up and solve it. -- Thanks Luigi > > I did not know we talk about the "save reply in the folder of the > original message". It explains what you see and, also with your tests, > voids my previous "the Graph API has a bug". Then sending the message > and let the server save it to the Sent Items does _not_ add the draft > flag (as all is done on the server and by the server). That's good. > > Saving to the original folder means appending the message to the > folder. The related code in the sources contains this comment: > > /* As of 2024-09-26, cannot upload message directly to the folder_id, because the server returns: > {"error":{"code":"UnableToDeserializePostBody","message":"were unable to deserialize "}} > thus upload to the Drafts folder and then move the message to the right place. */ > > The problem is that the "isDraft" flag [1] is described as: > > Indicates whether the message is a draft. A message is a draft if > it hasn't been sent yet. > > which probably means even if the message is created in other than the > Drafts folder it would have set the flag. I cannot test it due to the > above bug/code-comment. > > > Can this be usefull in order to change the behaviour of sending > > message and moving it after it appear in sent folder? > > I see, I know what you mean. The answer is yes... mostly. The 'yes' is > for 'yes, it would work and might get rid of the isDraft flag on the > messages'. The 'mostly' is for 'doing so would be somehow complicated". > > There are several obstacles here: > a) the API does not return the ID of the added message in the Sent > Items folder, thus one would need to search for it in that folder, > which could mean some errors in some cases, apart of taking some > time to find the message > b) the message send works as follows: > - evolution asks some part of the code to send the message > - when succeeded, the evolution asks another part of the code > to save the sent message to the sent folder, according to > the account settings and such. It can skip this, if the sending > part claimed it saved the sent message; > These two parts of the code do not know about each other. > c) the sent message saved by the server can be slightly different > from the original message (mostly removed evolution-related headers) > > I'm not saying it's impossible to do, the evolution-ews can access the > needed information (apart of the sent message ID on the server), it > just might be for some price. > > If you'd like to, feel free to fill an enhancement request against the > evolution-ews project [2]. If there is no better workaround at the > moment, then it can be it. No promises when I'd get to it, though. > > Thanks and bye, > Milan > > [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/graph/api/resources/message?view=graph-rest-1.0 > [2] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/-/issues/ > > -- > evolution-users mailing list > evolution-users at lists.osuosl.org > To change your list options, unsubscribe or consult the Guidelines on posting, visit ... > https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcrha at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 08:40:06 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:40:06 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't open folder in On This Computer accunt In-Reply-To: <75142632f1cf22c662161103bea5d896021abe7e.camel@redhat.com> References: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> <233d4ed4e7271fbbf79adc45e386c77a81756ff3.camel@biggs.org.uk> <422a1b91f2cd023ab913ff02a5750be012c9fb82.camel@sbcglobal.net> <75142632f1cf22c662161103bea5d896021abe7e.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <484ce6276a9731bd50ad8754e8e3f562f8a6f35d.camel@redhat.com> On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 03:56 +0200, Van Snyder wrote: > I created a new folder (from a command line, not in Evolution) and > copied all the files from the one I couldn't open to the new one. I > could open the new one. When I deleted the old one, Evolution decided > to open a different random folder, that I haven't looked at in > months, and got stuck trying to open it instead. Hi, from the backtraces you sent me privately (we can move back to the public place now), it looks like it's reading the directory content[1]. Is the CPU higher when this happens? If it's progressing, it should finish after it checks the messages in that directory. I do not know how long that would take. It surely depends on the size of the directory and respective mesasges too. You mentioned "On This Computer account", but the "On This Computer" account is in the maildir format, not in the MH format the backtrace suggests is used. Can it be you meant "local account", instead of the "On This Computer account"? The two formats use different code to access their content, thus it's sort of important detail. Bye, Milan [1] relevant part of the backtrace: Thread 6 (Thread 0x7f36627fc6c0 (LWP 15219) "pool-evolution"): #0 0x00007f36a2d9d399 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #1 0x00007f36a2da31d3 in g_type_check_instance_is_a () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #2 0x00007f36a3bf6fd6 in camel_message_info_property_lock () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 #3 0x00007f36a3bf7e3f in camel_message_info_set_flags () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 #4 0x00007f36a3bdc454 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 #5 0x00007f36a3bdc614 in camel_folder_summary_info_new_from_parser () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 #6 0x00007f3685b38c97 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so #7 0x00007f3685b26f91 in camel_local_folder_construct () from /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so #8 0x00007f3685b36d4a in camel_mh_folder_new () from /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so #9 0x00007f3685b37a66 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so #10 0x00007f36a3c46877 in camel_store_get_folder_sync () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 #11 0x00007f36861dd7ea in e_mail_session_uri_to_folder_sync () from /usr/lib/evolution/libemail-engine.so.0 #12 0x00007f3686157478 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution/libevolution-mail.so.0 #13 0x00007f36861e8f67 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution/libemail-engine.so.0 #14 0x00007f36a3ac266a in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 #15 0x00007f36a3ac1c9d in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 #16 0x00007f369d0a81f5 in start_thread (arg=) at ./nptl/pthread_create.c:442 #17 0x00007f369d12889c in clone3 () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone3.S:81 From mcrha at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 09:00:56 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 11:00:56 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account In-Reply-To: <3c9f85c956ca36aa0e63944cbd6ad41eed566577.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> <112b8dae0bc0bfcda0247d65fdf8bef01f7f8703.camel@usb.ve> <3c9f85c956ca36aa0e63944cbd6ad41eed566577.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <084278a9642b418616569cddade96c518c2551a7.camel@redhat.com> On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 23:15 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > In tcsh (and csh) one would need a semicolon after "GNOME", or two > lines: > > setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME;?gnome-control-center > > setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME > gnome-control-center Hi, I suppose this allowed to run the gnome-control-center and you deleted the account in it, right? > Do I really need to reboot? It's easier than to name all the related processes to be restarted. > Would simply deleting the file work? Either that or remove the account information from that file. I did not mean you'd set any `false` in the file. Anyway, if the GUI way works, then you can safely forget about this "play with app internal files and then restart the processes as needed" thing. Bye, Milan From mike at netwright.net Thu Aug 14 14:54:04 2025 From: mike at netwright.net (mike at netwright.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 22:54:04 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runing into a problem Message-ID: <689df88c.31c.a1e136c0.650d@netwright.net> I had used Evolution on this laptop years ago as I migrated my workstation from Windows to Linux. But once that was done, I hadn't opened Evolution on this laptop... until yesterday, (after I upgrade this laptop successfully to Debian 13, when my workstation crashed in the same type of upgrade). So I am on Debian 13 with the most current version of Evolution, 3.56.1-1 . And it runs, getting and sending mail, but it is asking for the account password ever few minutes. The password is correct. I checked the docs and they say there is an option to tell Evolution to remember the password... except that option is not in the specified window. How do I resolve this? From mcrha at redhat.com Thu Aug 14 15:24:28 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 17:24:28 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runing into a problem In-Reply-To: <689df88c.31c.a1e136c0.650d@netwright.net> References: <689df88c.31c.a1e136c0.650d@netwright.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 16:54 +0200, mike at netwright.net wrote: > And it runs, getting and sending mail, but it is asking for > the account password ever few minutes. Hi, is gnome-keyring installed and gnome-keyring-daemon running? Evolution has a checkbox to remember the password, it shows something like: Mail authentication request Please enter the password for mail account ?account-name?. User Name: [ ] Password: [ ] [x] Add this password to your keyring It can sometimes skip the User Name and the checkbox below it, but the prompt is similar to the above (it can slightly vary depending which part of the account asks for the password). Then the question is what the dialog you see looks like. You probably do not know what the previous Evolution version was, do you? Knowing what account type they are, you can enable targeted debugging for that specific account as described here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/wikis/Debugging Bye, Milan From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 14 17:33:58 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:33:58 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't open folder in On This Computer accunt In-Reply-To: <484ce6276a9731bd50ad8754e8e3f562f8a6f35d.camel@redhat.com> References: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> <233d4ed4e7271fbbf79adc45e386c77a81756ff3.camel@biggs.org.uk> <422a1b91f2cd023ab913ff02a5750be012c9fb82.camel@sbcglobal.net> <75142632f1cf22c662161103bea5d896021abe7e.camel@redhat.com> <484ce6276a9731bd50ad8754e8e3f562f8a6f35d.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <063e7ad59c99043e69b5a2563419af73f3aec7b1.camel@sbcglobal.net> On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 10:40 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 03:56 +0200, Van Snyder wrote: > > I created a new folder (from a command line, not in Evolution) and > > copied all the files from the one I couldn't open to the new one. I > > could open the new one. When I deleted the old one, Evolution > > decided > > to open a different random folder, that I haven't looked at in > > months, and got stuck trying to open it instead. > > ????????Hi, > from the backtraces you sent me privately (we can move back to the > public place now), it looks like it's reading the directory > content[1]. > > Is the CPU higher when this happens? If it's progressing, it should > finish after it checks the messages in that directory. I do not know > how long that would take. It surely depends on the size of the > directory and respective mesasges too. My GKrellM widget says 26-30% of eight cores are being used. I copied the files from a folder it couldn't open to a new folder, which it was able to open, and then deleted the folder it couldn't open. The next time I launched Evolution, it decided to open a different folder that I haven't opened for several months. And it's now stuck (for about 16 hours) trying to open it. The folder contains 14 files occupying 1.5 MB. > You mentioned "On This Computer account", but the "On This Computer" > account is in the maildir format, not in the MH format the backtrace > suggests is used. Can it be you meant "local account", instead of the > "On This Computer account"? The two formats use different code to > access their content, thus it's sort of important detail. "On This Computer" was a mistake. It's actually a "server" I call "Storage" that's MH format. The "email address" field in its first account page is "~/mail/@here". > ????????Bye, > ????????Milan > > [1] relevant part of the backtrace: > > Thread 6 (Thread 0x7f36627fc6c0 (LWP 15219) "pool-evolution"): > #0? 0x00007f36a2d9d399 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux- > gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0 > #1? 0x00007f36a2da31d3 in g_type_check_instance_is_a () from > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0 > #2? 0x00007f36a3bf6fd6 in camel_message_info_property_lock () from > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 > #3? 0x00007f36a3bf7e3f in camel_message_info_set_flags () from > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 > #4? 0x00007f36a3bdc454 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel- > 1.2.so.64 > #5? 0x00007f36a3bdc614 in camel_folder_summary_info_new_from_parser > () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 > #6? 0x00007f3685b38c97 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution-data- > server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so > #7? 0x00007f3685b26f91 in camel_local_folder_construct () from > /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so > #8? 0x00007f3685b36d4a in camel_mh_folder_new () from > /usr/lib/evolution-data-server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so > #9? 0x00007f3685b37a66 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution-data- > server/camel-providers/libcamellocal.so > #10 0x00007f36a3c46877 in camel_store_get_folder_sync () from > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64 > #11 0x00007f36861dd7ea in e_mail_session_uri_to_folder_sync () from > /usr/lib/evolution/libemail-engine.so.0 > #12 0x00007f3686157478 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution/libevolution- > mail.so.0 > #13 0x00007f36861e8f67 in ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution/libemail- > engine.so.0 > #14 0x00007f36a3ac266a in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib- > 2.0.so.0 > #15 0x00007f36a3ac1c9d in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib- > 2.0.so.0 > #16 0x00007f369d0a81f5 in start_thread (arg=) at > ./nptl/pthread_create.c:442 > #17 0x00007f369d12889c in clone3 () at > ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone3.S:81 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 14 17:35:20 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account In-Reply-To: <084278a9642b418616569cddade96c518c2551a7.camel@redhat.com> References: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> <112b8dae0bc0bfcda0247d65fdf8bef01f7f8703.camel@usb.ve> <3c9f85c956ca36aa0e63944cbd6ad41eed566577.camel@sbcglobal.net> <084278a9642b418616569cddade96c518c2551a7.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <25d7f5a80e92194946ad145133017be1da3168f7.camel@sbcglobal.net> On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 11:00 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > > setenv XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP GNOME > > gnome-control-center > > ????????Hi, > I suppose this allowed to run the gnome-control-center and you > deleted > the account in it, right? Yes, this worked. 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URL: From mcrha at redhat.com Fri Aug 15 06:09:10 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 08:09:10 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't open folder in On This Computer accunt In-Reply-To: <063e7ad59c99043e69b5a2563419af73f3aec7b1.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0db8d0f8102060a71a6a6dad8eb9ada23e6fb4c9.camel@sbcglobal.net> <233d4ed4e7271fbbf79adc45e386c77a81756ff3.camel@biggs.org.uk> <422a1b91f2cd023ab913ff02a5750be012c9fb82.camel@sbcglobal.net> <75142632f1cf22c662161103bea5d896021abe7e.camel@redhat.com> <484ce6276a9731bd50ad8754e8e3f562f8a6f35d.camel@redhat.com> <063e7ad59c99043e69b5a2563419af73f3aec7b1.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <26a50cd4adcf9b888c580e721feb56b21cc88de0.camel@redhat.com> Hi, On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 19:33 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > The folder contains 14 files occupying 1.5 MB. Heh, that's supposed to be instant. I tried to reproduce it here and I see it busy-loops when re-reading the MH folder content. The MH code is not tested much, the maildir is better tested, because it's used by the On This Computer account. I opened a bug for you for that: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/-/issues/605 Thanks and bye, Milan From mcrha at redhat.com Fri Aug 15 06:11:05 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 08:11:05 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Can't delete mail account In-Reply-To: <25d7f5a80e92194946ad145133017be1da3168f7.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <64f773fb11afddda12fd6dd831dec4111ed9f82b.camel@redhat.com> <112b8dae0bc0bfcda0247d65fdf8bef01f7f8703.camel@usb.ve> <3c9f85c956ca36aa0e63944cbd6ad41eed566577.camel@sbcglobal.net> <084278a9642b418616569cddade96c518c2551a7.camel@redhat.com> <25d7f5a80e92194946ad145133017be1da3168f7.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 19:35 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > I'm surprised there's no way Evolution could delete it. Hi, it's intentional. You created the account "elsewhere", then delete it "elsewhere" as well. You also manage the account "elsewhere", only subset of options are available in Evolution for the GOA accounts. Bye, Milan From mike at netwright.net Sat Aug 16 01:54:51 2025 From: mike at netwright.net (mike at netwright.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 09:54:51 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runinginto a problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> Milan, in an email to me told me I should send the jpgs though the list to better explain the problem. I doubted the listserv would accept them. I was right. The email was rejected. I have sent the jpgs directly to Milan's email account. If he would be so kind as to check them out, I still need to resolve this matter. (please note, I respect the list moderator's decision to reject the email. There are unfortunately times when my ability to communicate in words, cannot match what I can show.) On Thursday 08/14/2025 at 23:25, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > On Thu, 2025-08-14 at 16:54 +0200, mike at netwright.net wrote: >> >> And it runs, getting and sending mail, but it is asking for >> the account password ever few minutes. > > Hi, > is gnome-keyring installed and gnome-keyring-daemon running? Evolution > has a checkbox to remember the password, it shows something like: > > Mail authentication request > > Please enter the password for mail account ?account-name?. > > User Name: [ ] > Password: [ ] > > [x] Add this password to your keyring > > It can sometimes skip the User Name and the checkbox below it, but the > prompt is similar to the above (it can slightly vary depending which > part of the account asks for the password). > > Then the question is what the dialog you see looks like. > > You probably do not know what the previous Evolution version was, do > you? > > Knowing what account type they are, you can enable targeted debugging > for that specific account as described here: > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/wikis/Debugging > > Bye, > Milan > > -- > evolution-users mailing list > evolution-users at lists.osuosl.org > To change your list options, unsubscribe or consult the Guidelines on > posting, visit ... > https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at biggs.org.uk Sat Aug 16 11:10:36 2025 From: pete at biggs.org.uk (Pete Biggs) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 12:10:36 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runinginto a problem In-Reply-To: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> References: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> Message-ID: <2d0842c55a50ff0337f8f71e3038aae848849cf0.camel@biggs.org.uk> On Sat, 2025-08-16 at 09:54 +0800, mike at netwright.net wrote: > > Milan, in an email to me told me I should send the jpgs though the > list to better explain the problem. I doubted the listserv would > accept them. I was right. The email was rejected. I have sent the > jpgs directly to Milan's email account. If he would be so kind as to > check them out, I still need to resolve this matter. > (please note, I respect the list moderator's decision to reject the > email. There are unfortunately times when my ability to communicate > in words, cannot match what I can show.)? [ Please?note that in general on this mailing list we frown upon top posted content ] There are places on the net where you can temporarily upload images to and then just post the link you are given to the mailing list. I've used things like PasteBoard, but that's not an endorsement and there are plenty of others around. If you want to share large amounts of text, then people tend to use PasteBin. > > > > ?Hi, > > is gnome-keyring installed and gnome-keyring-daemon running? Do you have answer to this? Do you have gnome-keyring running? Without it, Evolution can't save passwords. > P. From sebastian.spree at web.de Sat Aug 16 18:53:57 2025 From: sebastian.spree at web.de (Sebastian Spree) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 20:53:57 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Use shared Evolution config/data files on a dual boot setup Message-ID: Hi Folks, I have read https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/evolution/help/data-storage.html https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/evolution/help/sync-with-other-devices.html https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/evolution/help/backup-restore.html https://discourse.gnome.org/t/how-to-sync-evolution/20571 I have set up my machine as a dualboot Fedora/Solus. Assuming they both use the same Evolution version, is it feasible to make them share the same config/data folders eliminating the need to sync anything. I have done so for other programs like audacious, rednotebook, gnote etc that I have moved their folders(in some cases even cache folders) to a shared encrypted data partition that gets mounted on boot, and then created symlinks to those folders on both systems. This works pretty well. Now I wonder if I could do the same with such a complex program like Evolution. I am using Evolution 3.56.2 The first link above states that starting with Evolution 3.6, folders are The user's data files $HOME/.local/share/evolution Various configuration and state files $HOME/.config/evolution Account settings $HOME/.config/evolution/sources Disposable data caches $HOME/.cache/evolution So could I just move those to a shared data partition, create symlinks and use the same files thus for Fedora and Solus? Would this somehow work? What about dconf settings? What about the passwords in the keyrings? Searching for files/directories containing "evolution" I also found: /home/sebi/.cache/org.gnome.Evolution /home/sebi/.local/share/org.gnome.Evolution What about those directories? From mcrha at redhat.com Mon Aug 18 05:46:55 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 07:46:55 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Use shared Evolution config/data files on a dual boot setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67caaf4e4b467a3ffec54b383abd8bfe68921e80.camel@redhat.com> On Sat, 2025-08-16 at 20:53 +0200, Sebastian Spree via evolution-users wrote: > I have set up my machine as a dualboot Fedora/Solus. > Assuming they both use the same Evolution version, is it feasible to > make them share the same config/data folders eliminating the need to > sync anything. Hi, as long as they use the same versions of the Evolution and evolution- data-server then yes, it can work. Note the 3.58.x will change internal format for mail message list, which cannot be shared with the previous versions. > The first link above states that starting with Evolution 3.6, folders > are... Yes, Evolution(-data-server) follows XDG directories. You might be able to override the environment variables to move the data there, but you need to do stat before you start the application (and evolution-data- server background processes), but you do not want to do that for all the applications, thus it's tricky to use. The symlinks work better/are easier in this case. > What about dconf settings? > What about the passwords in the keyrings? They use their own directories. They are also shared for all the apps which use them. If I'm not mistaken, it's: ~/.config/dconf/ ~/.local/share/keyrings/ Also note of ~/.local/share/camel_certs/ , though I'm not sure whether it's still in use (the files touched there date 2 years back here). > Searching for files/directories containing "evolution" > I also found: > /home/sebi/.cache/org.gnome.Evolution > /home/sebi/.local/share/org.gnome.Evolution > > What about those directories? Aha, I see, I have them here too. Looking into them, they are created by the WebKitGTK. You can safely ignore them, they are disposable. Bye, Milan From mcrha at redhat.com Mon Aug 18 08:46:52 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 10:46:52 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runinginto a problem In-Reply-To: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> References: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> Message-ID: <623b3bd1e677134364de35faa2cd2780bc38a017.camel@redhat.com> On Sat, 2025-08-16 at 03:54 +0200, Mike wrote: > I have sent the jpgs directly to Milan's email account. Hi, thanks, I see it now. One of your images references the user manual for the POP accounts, which has a bullet for "check whether you want to save the password", but the POP account properties do not have any such option. It's a bug in the user manual. I do not recall whether it ever had any such option, and if it did then when it was. There can be a button to forget the password, when it's found in the keyring, but not a checkbox to remember it. This "Forget Password" button is under the Username, but your screenshot does not show it, which means it failed to save the password into the keyring. The "Mail authentication request" dialog contains the checkbox just as I "ASCII drew" in my previous message and you have it checked, which means Evolution tries to save the password. All this points to a problem with the keyring, which is most often handled by the gnome-keyring package, specifically by the gnome- keyring-daemon process. As had been said earlier, does this gnome-keyring-daemon process run on your system? It does not necessarily need to run after log in, it can be started by the evolution and evolution-data-server background processes (which usually are started shortly after login). You mentioned you do not see any problem in the Seahorse and you also mentioned PGP. This is not about the PGP section, which Seahorse can handle too, this is about the Passwords section. See the attached screenshot, you should see there something similar. Try to run `evolution` from a terminal and watch its output there. When you'll be asked for your POP account password again, if it fails, there will be a claim on the terminal containing "Failed to store source credentials" with the reason of the failure. Bye, Milan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: seahorse.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19159 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mike at netwright.net Mon Aug 18 09:20:25 2025 From: mike at netwright.net (mike at netwright.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 17:20:25 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computerruninginto a problem Message-ID: <68a2f059.32d.28e26c0.5008@netwright.net> Hi Milan. I think I did what you asked and it is running as spawned from the CLI and it is NOT asking for a password. It does ask repeatedly when launched form the GUI. My typing PGP instead of GPG was a typo. Anyway... Look at https://ndevor.netwright.net/evo.html I'm not really comfortable with posting the keyring stuff, but as I don't have a clue... well you tell me if something looks wrong. Thanks, Mike > > --- Original message --- > Subject: Re: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference > computerruninginto a problem > From: Milan Crha via evolution-users > > To: > Date: Monday, 08/18/2025 16:48 > > On Sat, 2025-08-16 at 03:54 +0200, Mike wrote: >> >> I have sent the jpgs directly to Milan's email account. > > Hi, > thanks, I see it now. > > One of your images references the user manual for the POP accounts, > which has a bullet for "check whether you want to save the password", > but the POP account properties do not have any such option. It's a bug > in the user manual. I do not recall whether it ever had any such > option, and if it did then when it was. There can be a button to > forget > the password, when it's found in the keyring, but not a checkbox to > remember it. This "Forget Password" button is under the Username, but > your screenshot does not show it, which means it failed to save the > password into the keyring. > > The "Mail authentication request" dialog contains the checkbox just as > I "ASCII drew" in my previous message and you have it checked, which > means Evolution tries to save the password. > > All this points to a problem with the keyring, which is most often > handled by the gnome-keyring package, specifically by the gnome- > keyring-daemon process. As had been said earlier, does this > gnome-keyring-daemon process run on your system? It does not > necessarily need to run after log in, it can be started by the > evolution and evolution-data-server background processes (which > usually > are started shortly after login). > > You mentioned you do not see any problem in the Seahorse and you also > mentioned PGP. This is not about the PGP section, which Seahorse can > handle too, this is about the Passwords section. See the attached > screenshot, you should see there something similar. > > Try to run `evolution` from a terminal and watch its output there. > When > you'll be asked for your POP account password again, if it fails, > there > will be a claim on the terminal containing "Failed to store source > credentials" with the reason of the failure. > > Bye, > Milan > > -- > evolution-users mailing list > evolution-users at lists.osuosl.org > To change your list options, unsubscribe or consult the Guidelines on > posting, visit ... > https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please read my message from earlier today in this thread for more information. Bye, Milan From poc at usb.ve Mon Aug 18 18:40:53 2025 From: poc at usb.ve (Patrick O'Callaghan) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 19:40:53 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runinginto a problem In-Reply-To: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> References: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> Message-ID: <6e7527fe2470706fd91c27746044bf3b7444f125.camel@usb.ve> On Sat, 2025-08-16 at 09:54 +0800, mike at netwright.net wrote: > Milan, in an email to me told me I should send the jpgs though the > list to better explain the problem. I doubted the listserv would > accept them. I was right. The email was rejected. I have sent the jpgs > directly to Milan's email account. If he would be so kind as to check > them out, I still need to resolve this matter. > (please note, I respect the list moderator's decision to reject the > email. There are unfortunately times when my ability to communicate in > words, cannot match what I can show.) Just to reiterate what Pete said separately: the list has a size limit of 40k bytes, including all headers and attachments. That seems to satisfy most people most of the time and there's no serious move to change it. People wanting to upload large images are invited to use one of the numerous image paste services, or even a cloud storage service with sharing facilities. By the way, there is of course a mailing list server but it's not a "listserv" and never has been. Listserv was an early mailing list system used in the past by IBM mainframes. I don't know if any installations still exist, though I would doubt it. It was the very definition of a "hack". And please don't top-post on the list. 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Are you asking for something different? poc From mike at netwright.net Tue Aug 19 00:54:52 2025 From: mike at netwright.net (Mike Lieberman) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 08:54:52 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computerruninginto a problem In-Reply-To: <4a2815237f6e8e6694668898d36392044c0b8c3d.camel@redhat.com> References: <68a2f059.32d.28e26c0.5008@netwright.net> <4a2815237f6e8e6694668898d36392044c0b8c3d.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <85145f699ccbd47781387c3910d6dd9c7805b7ec.camel@netwright.net> Hi, Milan, After running Evolution from the CLI and replying to you, I left the office for the day. I returned and opened via the GUI to follow through with getting screen grabs of the two versions as you suggested, But this time Evolution was mot bugging me for a loggin. I was writing back related to that, but when I tried to send the request to login returned and it didn't allow me to send. So I closed that and opened the CLI launched session. If you are reading this, please no that both sessions reported the same version number. 3.56.1-1. On Mon, 2025-08-18 at 11:51 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > On Mon, 2025-08-18 at 11:20 +0200, mike wrote: > > It does ask repeatedly when launched form the GUI. > > Hi, > okay, then it's the clue. Is Help->About from the menu in Evolution > the > same in both cases, please? > > > My typing PGP instead of GPG was a typo. > > Nah, they are interchangeable in my eyes (Pretty Good Privacy, when > it > comes to it), and I never know which one is "better". I mean, I do > not > consider it a typo. Nonetheless, this is not related to your problem. > > > Anyway...?Look at?https://ndevor.netwright.net/evo.html? > > You can delete it, it does not show anything interesting. Please read > my message from earlier today in this thread for more information. > > Bye, > Milan From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 19 01:00:39 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 18:00:39 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder References: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel@sbcglobal.net> When I launch Evolution 3.46.4-2 on Debian 12 it tries to open one or more random folders in my MH archive, and then gets stuck. Developers have reproduced the "stuck" bug. What file(s) contain the list of folders to be opened when Evolution starts? Can I edit it (them)? Can I safely delete it (them)? ? Van Snyder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(who was many years ago, before there was an ARIN, ML84. then grandfathered in to ARIN as ML84-ARIN only to be purged from the ARIN database once I retired and no longer was the POC for any ASN.) On Mon, 2025-08-18 at 19:40 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2025-08-16 at 09:54 +0800, mike at netwright.net?wrote: > > Milan, in an email to me told me I should send the jpgs though the > > list to better explain the problem. I doubted the listserv would > > accept them. I was right. The email was rejected. I have sent the > > jpgs > > directly to Milan's email account. If he would be so kind as to > > check > > them out, I still need to resolve this matter. > > (please note, I respect the list moderator's decision to reject the > > email. There are unfortunately times when my ability to communicate > > in > > words, cannot match what I can show.) > > Just to reiterate what Pete said separately: the list has a size > limit > of 40k bytes, including all headers and attachments. That seems to > satisfy most people most of the time and there's no serious move to > change it. People wanting to upload large images are invited to use > one > of the numerous image paste services, or even a cloud storage service > with sharing facilities. > > By the way, there is of course a mailing list server but it's not a > "listserv" and never has been. Listserv was an early mailing list > system used in the past by IBM mainframes. I don't know if any > installations still exist, though I would doubt it. It was the very > definition of a "hack". > > And please don't top-post on the list. See the Guidelines at: > > https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users > > (Note to self: must add a clause about message sizes) > > poc From mcrha at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 05:56:03 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 07:56:03 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computerruninginto a problem In-Reply-To: <85145f699ccbd47781387c3910d6dd9c7805b7ec.camel@netwright.net> References: <68a2f059.32d.28e26c0.5008@netwright.net> <4a2815237f6e8e6694668898d36392044c0b8c3d.camel@redhat.com> <85145f699ccbd47781387c3910d6dd9c7805b7ec.camel@netwright.net> Message-ID: <87fb3d1d7e92bc44e73d8f9d35055c9858be66b8.camel@redhat.com> On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 02:54 +0200, Mike Lieberman wrote: > both sessions reported the same version number. 3.56.1-1. Hi, okay, that's expected, but also kinda weird. I suppose the terminal does not show anything, or anything interesting. Then the version started from the GUI should log to the system logs, which can be accessed through journalctl or any similar tool your distro uses to check the system logs. Bye, Milan From mcrha at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 06:07:15 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 08:07:15 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder In-Reply-To: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <924f8da32a49b1be14157ca5c13743fce19a24ab.camel@redhat.com> On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 03:00 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > What file(s) contain the list of folders to be opened when Evolution > starts? > > Can I edit it (them)? > > Can I safely delete it (them)? Hi, it's not great to start a new thread for a thing you opened here already, just few days ago. You have two options: a) search the ~/.config/evolution/sources/*.source files for those related to your MH account and change under the [Data Source] the key Enabled to Enabled=false . You can recognize the sources by them containing line BackendName=mh . That will disable the account in Evolution. b) convince the distro maintainers to backport the fix from the bug I posted a link to in your original thread (it's an exercise for you to find it, otherwise, if you kept your message in that thread, you'd have it for free). You can also try to delete a corresponding folders.db file under the ~/.local/share/evolution/mail// but I'm not 100% sure it would help. Bye, Milan From mike at netwright.net Tue Aug 19 06:20:31 2025 From: mike at netwright.net (Mike Lieberman) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 14:20:31 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computerruninginto a problem In-Reply-To: <87fb3d1d7e92bc44e73d8f9d35055c9858be66b8.camel@redhat.com> References: <68a2f059.32d.28e26c0.5008@netwright.net> <4a2815237f6e8e6694668898d36392044c0b8c3d.camel@redhat.com> <85145f699ccbd47781387c3910d6dd9c7805b7ec.camel@netwright.net> <87fb3d1d7e92bc44e73d8f9d35055c9858be66b8.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, I was able to send three emails vai the CLI version. The first one was what you responded to. That time it did ask once for the password, (with the box check). It went through and the next two emails sent didn't ask for the password. I have just now closed the CLI launched version and am replying from the GUI launched version. It seemed like the CLI version fixed the need for the POP password previously. This will be a test of it it has now fixed the need for the SMTP password. So If you read this, I will say it was fixed by FM. On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 07:56 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 02:54 +0200, Mike Lieberman wrote: > > both sessions reported the same version number. 3.56.1-1. > > Hi, > okay, that's expected, but also kinda weird. > > I suppose the terminal does not show anything, or anything > interesting. > Then the version started from the GUI should log to the system logs, > which can be accessed through journalctl or any similar tool your > distro uses to check the system logs. > > Bye, > Milan From mcrha at redhat.com Tue Aug 19 06:32:49 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 08:32:49 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computerruninginto a problem In-Reply-To: References: <68a2f059.32d.28e26c0.5008@netwright.net> <4a2815237f6e8e6694668898d36392044c0b8c3d.camel@redhat.com> <85145f699ccbd47781387c3910d6dd9c7805b7ec.camel@netwright.net> <87fb3d1d7e92bc44e73d8f9d35055c9858be66b8.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 08:20 +0200, Mike Lieberman wrote: > So If you read this, I will say it was fixed by FM. Hi, I won't call it a fix. I guess it'll re-occur the next day. It's still unknown what caused it. I wrote a lengthy email about it yesterday, the one with an image attachment. Bye, Milan From mike at netwright.net Tue Aug 19 06:47:09 2025 From: mike at netwright.net (Mike Lieberman) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 14:47:09 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computerruninginto a problem In-Reply-To: References: <68a2f059.32d.28e26c0.5008@netwright.net> <4a2815237f6e8e6694668898d36392044c0b8c3d.camel@redhat.com> <85145f699ccbd47781387c3910d6dd9c7805b7ec.camel@netwright.net> <87fb3d1d7e92bc44e73d8f9d35055c9858be66b8.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: Well the POP "fix" lasted into the "next day," so we will see how the SMTP "fix" holds. :-) The Laptop was shut down between the time the POP fix was created and now. It is holding so far. On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 08:32 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 08:20 +0200, Mike Lieberman wrote: > > So If you read this, I will say it was fixed by FM. > > Hi, > I won't call it a fix. I guess it'll re-occur the next day. It's > still > unknown what caused it. I wrote a lengthy email about it yesterday, > the > one with an image attachment. > Bye, > Milan From ralf-mardorf at riseup.net Tue Aug 19 06:40:55 2025 From: ralf-mardorf at riseup.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 08:40:55 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computerruninginto a problem In-Reply-To: References: <68a2f059.32d.28e26c0.5008@netwright.net> <4a2815237f6e8e6694668898d36392044c0b8c3d.camel@redhat.com> <85145f699ccbd47781387c3910d6dd9c7805b7ec.camel@netwright.net> <87fb3d1d7e92bc44e73d8f9d35055c9858be66b8.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <68aa44e05b17edea3fbf991a5ecfbfa7e70478f8.camel@riseup.net> On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 14:20 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > I have just now closed the CLI launched version and am replying from > the GUI launched version. It seemed like the CLI version fixed the > need for the POP password previously. This will be a test of it it has > now fixed the need for the SMTP password. Hi, Evolution started from a GUI and Evolution started from command line are all the same. If there is a difference, then it is very strange, therefore consider to create create a new user account to start Evolution from a fresh account for testing purpose. I didn't read the complete broken thread. Who ever has broken the thread, please don't break threads! If I want to do a puzzle, I buy a puzzle. Regards, Ralf From poc at usb.ve Tue Aug 19 11:54:37 2025 From: poc at usb.ve (Patrick O'Callaghan) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 12:54:37 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runinginto a problem In-Reply-To: References: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> <6e7527fe2470706fd91c27746044bf3b7444f125.camel@usb.ve> Message-ID: On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 09:07 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > Patrick, yes, listserv is gone but all mailing list systems are based > on istserv and as I have been using mailing lists system my dys on > SunOS and DAX, well, all mailing list services including the one > running on my Surgemail server, here in my office are listservs to me. > I was well aware of the limitations of mail through such? service. I > was merely demonstrating. to Milan,why his request wouldn't fly. And, > historically, not all mailing lists allow html links, (To protect from > spam.) [Once again: please don't top-post.] I'm sceptical that *all* mailing list systems are based on listserv. Listserv was certainly one of the first such servers (perhaps even the first, I haven't dug deep enough to check), but I started administering UNIX systems in the 70s and have literally never used a listserv system so I prefer not to use that terminology. The Evolution list is based on Mailman. Be that as it may, although some lists do restrict the use of HTML, and this list does strongly discourage *posting* in HTML for security reasons, putting a URL in a message is fine. poc From mike at netwright.net Tue Aug 19 12:19:58 2025 From: mike at netwright.net (Mike Lieberman) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 20:19:58 +0800 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runinginto a problem In-Reply-To: References: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> <6e7527fe2470706fd91c27746044bf3b7444f125.camel@usb.ve> Message-ID: <1fdba18f81d98c87b03b64d032dc08361caef47d.camel@netwright.net> On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 12:54 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 09:07 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > > Patrick, yes, listserv is gone but all mailing list systems are > > based > > on istserv and as I have been using mailing lists system my dys on > > SunOS and DAX, well, all mailing list services including the one > > running on my Surgemail server, here in my office are listservs to > > me. > > I was well aware of the limitations of mail through such? service. > > I > > was merely demonstrating. to Milan,why his request wouldn't fly. > > And, > > historically, not all mailing lists allow html links, (To protect > > from > > spam.) > > [Once again: please don't top-post.] OK. Are we done with this? As far as the reason this whole subject is concerned, it seems to have been resolved by FM.? Once I received POP via Evolution as launched by CLI and used my password just once, and even with multiple shutdowns, the nagging requested for my password I was experiencing when launching via the GUI is no longer a thing of the past. The same is true for outbound SMTP. I am now running Evolution from a icon on my KDE panel and there are no more password requests. I honestly see no reason to continue this thread. And, Patrick, this was not a top-post. Though I, for one, FWIW, intensely dislike the method of placing comments within the string as comments get buried and lost in subsequent responses especially as the actual 'speaker' is lost. I have seen many times when problems arise because of that very thing. > > I'm sceptical that *all* mailing list systems are based on listserv. > Listserv was certainly one of the first such servers (perhaps even > the > first, I haven't dug deep enough to check), but I started > administering > UNIX systems in the 70s and have literally never used a listserv > system > so I prefer not to use that terminology. The Evolution list is based > on > Mailman. > > Be that as it may, although some lists do restrict the use of HTML, > and > this list does strongly discourage *posting* in HTML for security > reasons, putting a URL in a message is fine. > > poc From poc at usb.ve Tue Aug 19 12:34:48 2025 From: poc at usb.ve (Patrick O'Callaghan) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 13:34:48 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Longtime user on a difference computer runinginto a problem In-Reply-To: <1fdba18f81d98c87b03b64d032dc08361caef47d.camel@netwright.net> References: <689fe4eb.31c.a1cbf6c0.17ee@netwright.net> <6e7527fe2470706fd91c27746044bf3b7444f125.camel@usb.ve> <1fdba18f81d98c87b03b64d032dc08361caef47d.camel@netwright.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 20:19 +0800, Mike Lieberman wrote: > And, Patrick, this > was not a top-post. Though I, for one, FWIW, intensely dislike the > method of placing comments within the string as comments get buried and > lost in subsequent responses especially as the actual 'speaker' is > lost. I have seen many times when problems arise because of that very > thing. The message I replied to was unquestionably a top-post. The preferred quoting method on most technical mailing lists is to insert comments after the material being referred to, and to trim anything extraneous. This may happen several times in a reply to a long message, and readers are no more likely to be confused than by the practice (pulled over from the corporate world and especially from Outlook which many other MUAs have copied) of commenting at the start followed by a complete dump of the message being replied to, often including previous replies to replies to replies, which not only makes it harder to associate each comment with the relevant point, but is unnecessary on a mailing list with a full archive of posts. poc From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 19 17:54:18 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder In-Reply-To: <924f8da32a49b1be14157ca5c13743fce19a24ab.camel@redhat.com> References: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel@sbcglobal.net> <924f8da32a49b1be14157ca5c13743fce19a24ab.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2dda7094436d673e09a83aaa8f47072f3423ef3c.camel@sbcglobal.net> On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 08:07 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > a) search the ~/.config/evolution/sources/*.source files for those > related to your MH account and change under the [Data Source] the key > Enabled to Enabled=false . You can recognize the sources by them > containing line BackendName=mh . That will disable the account in > Evolution. The stuck folders' names do not appear in ~/.config/evolution/sources/*.source I don't want to disable them. I only want Evolution not to try to open them ? and get stuck trying ? ?when it starts. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 19 18:14:07 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 11:14:07 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder In-Reply-To: <924f8da32a49b1be14157ca5c13743fce19a24ab.camel@redhat.com> References: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel@sbcglobal.net> <924f8da32a49b1be14157ca5c13743fce19a24ab.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9d9d5fa1dc6b29b9c4517bbf61c6503e985aa9d1.camel@sbcglobal.net> On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 08:07 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > b) convince the distro maintainers to backport the fix from the bug I > posted a link to in your original thread (it's an exercise for you to > find it, otherwise, if you kept your message in that thread, you'd > have > it for free). I stored Evolution messages in one of the folders that Evolution got stuck trying to open ? which is why I guessed wrong about the original subject line for the topic. I eventually the bug report in the archive at?https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/-/issues/605?. The report looks more like an explanation of the problem than a code revision to repair it. How do I contact the managers for Debian? What should I send them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at biggs.org.uk Tue Aug 19 21:55:10 2025 From: pete at biggs.org.uk (Pete Biggs) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:55:10 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder In-Reply-To: <9d9d5fa1dc6b29b9c4517bbf61c6503e985aa9d1.camel@sbcglobal.net> References: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel@sbcglobal.net> <924f8da32a49b1be14157ca5c13743fce19a24ab.camel@redhat.com> <9d9d5fa1dc6b29b9c4517bbf61c6503e985aa9d1.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 11:14 -0700, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 08:07 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users wrote: > > b) convince the distro maintainers to backport the fix from the bug I > > posted a link to in your original thread (it's an exercise for you to > > find it, otherwise, if you kept your message in that thread, you'd have > > it for free). > > I stored Evolution messages in one of the folders that Evolution got > stuck trying to open ? which is why I guessed wrong about the > original subject line for the topic. Threading doesn't just work on the subject - there are threading headers which allows the emails to be placed in the correct position in the threads when you reply to a message. > I eventually the bug report in the archive > at?https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/- > /issues/605?. The report looks more like an explanation of the > problem than a code revision to repair it. There's a commit link towards the end that points to the code fix: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/-/commit/9a212fd7f8a91332b87869ac93e6ccd93133308d > > How do I contact the managers for Debian? What should I send them? > I suspect the easiest way is to submit a Debian bug and point to the Evolution bug report (and link to the thread(s) here) and ask them to backport the patch.? https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting It's a fairly simple patch - I don't use Debian so I'm not sure how well it will be received. You should read up on all this on the Debian web site rather than asking here (which is a distro agnostic place). P. From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 19 22:16:35 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 15:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder References: Message-ID: I just killed Evolution because it was stuck opening three folders under ~/mail/save/? ? my MH format local archive. "top" reported it was using 300% of my CPU time. I assume that means three whole cores on my old eight-core Intel i7. 1. How does Evolution decide which random folder to open in my MH archive whenever I start it? 2. Why does it choose a different one each time? 3. How can I stop if from doing that? 4. I click the little circle with two red dots in the bottom pane and it adds (cancelling) after the folder name, but it never finishes cancelling. How do I cancel it, short of killing Evolution, restarting it, and watching it get stuck opening another random folder? I'm using Evolution 3.46.4-2 on Debian 12, but I had the same problem using whatever version was shipped with Debian 13 (3.56.1-1, IIRC). I can't check that now because I sent the MB back to MSI and I don't have Debian 13 on my backup machine. I had cloned my home directory onto that machine's NVME drive, but my backup doesn't have an NVME slot. I have Debian 13 on a laptop where I use Evolution 3.56.1-1, but it doesn't have that problem, so I assume the problem is caused by a file in ~/.somewhere/* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.snyder at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 19 23:33:32 2025 From: van.snyder at sbcglobal.net (Van Snyder) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 16:33:32 -0700 Subject: [Evolution-users] Submitted a Debian backport request for the "stuck trying to open a folder" problem. References: <5f1b90cb41deb5be7f38d196d637f1927a1dbcac.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Van Snyder To: Debian Bug Tracking System Subject: evolution Date: 08/19/2025 03:55:19 PM Package: evolution Version: 3.46.4-2 Severity: important Tags: newcomer Dear Maintainer, *** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** ?? * What led up to the situation? Click on a folder in an MH-format archive attached to Evolution as ~/mail/@here ?? * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or ???? ineffective)? Clicked on the folder ?? * What was the outcome of this action? Evolution got into a busy loop ?? * What outcome did you expect instead? That it would open the folder instead of getting stuck The maintainers' bug report is at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution- data-server/-/issues/605 The maintainers' repair that they asked me to ask you to backport is at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data- server/-/commit/9a212fd7f8a91332b87869ac93e6ccd93133308d The same problem occurs in evolution 3.56.1-1 in Debian 13 Trixie. BTW it isn't helpful that while "reportbug" is installed by default, at least in Debian 12 Bookworm it required uninstalled gir1 packages to run the graphical version. -- System Information: Debian Release: 12.11 ? APT prefers oldstable-updates ? APT policy: (500, 'oldstable-updates'), (500, 'oldstable-security'), (500, 'oldstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-38-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads; PREEMPT) Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled Versions of packages evolution depends on: ii? dbus [default-dbus-system-bus]? 1.14.10-1~deb12u1 ii? evolution-common??????????????? 3.46.4-2 ii? evolution-data-server?????????? 3.46.4-2 ii? libc6?????????????????????????? 2.36-9+deb12u10 ii? libcamel-1.2-64???????????????? 3.46.4-2 ii? libecal-2.0-2?????????????????? 3.46.4-2 ii? libedataserver-1.2-27?????????? 3.46.4-2 ii? libevolution??????????????????? 3.46.4-2 ii? libglib2.0-0??????????????????? 2.74.6-2+deb12u6 ii? libgtk-3-0????????????????????? 3.24.38-2~deb12u3 ii? libical3??????????????????????? 3.0.16-1+b1 ii? libnotify4????????????????????? 0.8.1-1 ii? libwebkit2gtk-4.1-0???????????? 2.48.5-1~deb12u1 ii? libxml2???????????????????????? 2.9.14+dfsg-1.3~deb12u2 ii? psmisc????????????????????????? 23.6-1 Versions of packages evolution recommends: ii? evolution-plugin-bogofilter??? 3.46.4-2 ii? evolution-plugin-pstimport???? 3.46.4-2evolution 3.56.1-1 ii? evolution-plugin-spamassassin? 3.46.4-2 ii? evolution-plugins????????????? 3.46.4-2 ii? yelp?????????????????????????? 42.2-1+deb12u1 Versions of packages evolution suggests: ii? evolution-ews?????????????????? 3.46.4-1 ii? evolution-plugins-experimental? 3.46.4-2 ii? gnupg?????????????????????????? 2.2.40-1.1 ii? network-manager???????????????? 1.42.4-1+deb12u1 -- no debconf information -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcrha at redhat.com Wed Aug 20 05:39:42 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:39:42 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01f4d1f26533ad0f0d0295abb99eb0d7294c97da.camel@redhat.com> On Wed, 2025-08-20 at 00:16 +0200, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > 1. How does Evolution decide which random folder to open in my > MH archive whenever I start it? Hi, I know you asked for it multiple times and I did not tell you that. It's because it won't fix things much, not "forever". If you wish, ~/.config/evolution/mail/state.ini contains where to open the app at. It's like: [Folder Tree] Selected=folder://c9c48c1f24cd9/INBOX/lists/evolution-list > 3. How can I stop if from doing that? Disable the account. It's the easiest and the most error prone approach. Evolution doesn't pick a random folder, it just updates one after another, depending how you've set the account to refresh the folder contents, whether the folders are part of the search folder(s), which folder was selected the last time,... I gave you a way to disable the account by editing the .source files in one of my previous mails. I did not say the file will contain the folder names, I provided a string to search for to get to the offending files. I just now had an idea how to do it in the GUI. Simply temporarily rename the MH directory on the disk, before you start Evolution. Say you've it under ~/mail/mh-archive , then rename the directory to ~/mail/mh-archive.bak , then start Evolution, disable the MH account and then rename the directory back to what it was. > I use Evolution 3.56.1-1, but it doesn't have that problem It has that problem too, but there are certain conditions to trigger it. If you want to break also that version, then search the MH directory for DIRNAME.cmeta files. When you'll delete them, together with DIRNAME.ibex.* files, then you'll trigger the bug also in the latest version of the evolution, supposing the ~/.local/share/evolution/mail//folders.db file is fully populated and the folders contain some messages. Bye, Milan From tmcconnell168 at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 16:44:55 2025 From: tmcconnell168 at gmail.com (Tim McConnell) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Van,? I had this issue once, it turned out to be an issue with WebKit, not Evolution. I'm on Debian Trixie with Evolution 3.56.2-2 My folders do not hang and hasn't since Debian 11 (I forgot the codename, Jessie maybe?) If you run Evolution in Gnome De Bugger (GDB) does it give any stack traces, etc?? Someone besides me can tell you how to do that, I use it just often enough to forget how to do it and forget to save the notes, because I think to myself I wont need this anymore ?? -- Tim McConnell Home On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 15:16 -0700, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > I just killed Evolution because it was stuck opening three folders > under ~/mail/save/? ? my MH format local archive. "top" reported it > was using 300% of my CPU time. I assume that means three whole cores > on my old eight-core Intel i7. > > 1. How does Evolution decide which random folder to open in my MH > archive whenever I start it? > > 2. Why does it choose a different one each time? > > 3. How can I stop if from doing that? > > 4. I click the little circle with two red dots in the bottom pane and > it adds (cancelling) after the folder name, but it never finishes > cancelling. 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URL: From pete at biggs.org.uk Wed Aug 20 23:38:08 2025 From: pete at biggs.org.uk (Pete Biggs) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 00:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Stuck opening folder In-Reply-To: References: <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel.ref@sbcglobal.net> <0a7058cb49ee1dd05fac0d639be878c2e535de9b.camel@sbcglobal.net> <924f8da32a49b1be14157ca5c13743fce19a24ab.camel@redhat.com> <9d9d5fa1dc6b29b9c4517bbf61c6503e985aa9d1.camel@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <82610a9d9f109eede4b997f2c0d8e608883f0f2d.camel@biggs.org.uk> On Wed, 2025-08-20 at 15:26 -0700, Van Snyder via evolution-users wrote: > On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 22:55 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > There's a commit link towards the end that points to the code fix: > > > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/- > > /commit/9a212fd7f8a91332b87869ac93e6ccd93133308d > > Is there a place I can download an executable? Flatpack isn't a > solution because it runs in its own universe, which wouldn't include > the archive where I want to be able to store messages and refer to > them when necessary. Not really. Evolution as a project doesn't produce executables because they depend considerably on the specific environment of a distro. The closest to a distro-agnostic executable is a Flatpack. You can, of course, compile it yourself - it is after all Open Source software. However it is not something for the faint-hearted and comes with a whole load of other dependencies. It is not something recommended unless you have lots of experience with compiling complex GUI code. P. From waterbearer54 at gmx.com Wed Aug 27 09:02:34 2025 From: waterbearer54 at gmx.com (aguador) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 11:02:34 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Folder highlight colors, Evo 3.57.2 Message-ID: <612559b0ee278c20e4118aed95a140b37875482e.camel@gmx.com> The addition of color to highlight folders with unread emails in the latest Evo is a nice touch, and recognize that Evo is under the Gnome umbrella so the use of Adwaita blue is to be expected -- and fully legible in both light and dark themes. However, any plans to have the option in settings to use the Gtk theme highlight color? -- Roy From mcrha at redhat.com Wed Aug 27 12:02:32 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 14:02:32 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Folder highlight colors, Evo 3.57.2 In-Reply-To: <612559b0ee278c20e4118aed95a140b37875482e.camel@gmx.com> References: <612559b0ee278c20e4118aed95a140b37875482e.camel@gmx.com> Message-ID: <035ffebb5848a5bc9eebb11be0f821bb30bd9c8e.camel@redhat.com> On Wed, 2025-08-27 at 11:02 +0200, aguador via evolution-users wrote: > However, any plans to have the option in settings to use the Gtk > theme highlight color? Hi, this might look like an odd question, but I'm not used to the gtk themes, thus I'm wondering: what is the name of the theme highlight color, please? Evolution "knows" only about few "standard" color names, where with "standard" I mean the names recognized by most/many other themes than the Adwaita theme, with some defined fallbacks [1]. You can play with it when you change the settings: gsettings set org.gnome.evolution.mail new-message-folder-text-color "XXX" Expected values can be seen here: gsettings describe org.gnome.evolution.mail new-message-folder-text-color Bye, Milan [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/blob/369490951e65067e6eb37a0c85490f3f7db32fab/src/e-util/e-misc-utils.h#L105 From waterbearer54 at gmx.com Wed Aug 27 18:49:52 2025 From: waterbearer54 at gmx.com (aguador) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 20:49:52 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Folder highlight colors, Evo 3.57.2 In-Reply-To: <035ffebb5848a5bc9eebb11be0f821bb30bd9c8e.camel@redhat.com> References: <612559b0ee278c20e4118aed95a140b37875482e.camel@gmx.com> <035ffebb5848a5bc9eebb11be0f821bb30bd9c8e.camel@redhat.com> Message-ID: <28fe39087ed5e009c806f91ab042c68cb0d33fe3.camel@gmx.com> El mi?, 27-08-2025 a las 14:02 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-users escribi?: > On Wed, 2025-08-27 at 11:02 +0200, aguador via evolution-users wrote: > > However, any plans to have the option in settings to use the Gtk > > theme highlight color? > > Hi, > this might look like an odd question, but I'm not used to the gtk > themes, thus I'm wondering: what is the name of the theme highlight > color, please? Evolution "knows" only about few "standard" color > names, > where with "standard" I mean the names recognized by most/many other > themes than the Adwaita theme, with some defined fallbacks [1]. > > You can play with it when you change the settings: > > ?? gsettings set org.gnome.evolution.mail new-message-folder-text- > color "XXX" > > Expected values can be seen here: > > ?? gsettings describe org.gnome.evolution.mail new-message-folder- > text-color > > Bye, > Milan? > > [1] > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/blob/369490951e65067e6eb37a0c85490f3f7db32fab/src/e-util/e-misc-utils.h#L105 Thank you for the quick reply and where to see the colors. Your question is not odd at all. Looking at two Gtk3 I have installed the name for the selected/highlighted item is: theme_selected_bg_color basically as it is your link. Best, Roy From mcrha at redhat.com Thu Aug 28 06:38:10 2025 From: mcrha at redhat.com (Milan Crha) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 08:38:10 +0200 Subject: [Evolution-users] Folder highlight colors, Evo 3.57.2 In-Reply-To: <28fe39087ed5e009c806f91ab042c68cb0d33fe3.camel@gmx.com> References: <612559b0ee278c20e4118aed95a140b37875482e.camel@gmx.com> <035ffebb5848a5bc9eebb11be0f821bb30bd9c8e.camel@redhat.com> <28fe39087ed5e009c806f91ab042c68cb0d33fe3.camel@gmx.com> Message-ID: <93084ab2f220e37f5a94ab37cd4f5c8be3f16a8a.camel@redhat.com> On Wed, 2025-08-27 at 20:49 +0200, aguador via evolution-users wrote: > the > name for the selected/highlighted item is: > > theme_selected_bg_color Hi, I see. That won't work well, unfortunately, because it has its counterpart with "fg" instead of "bg" in the name. The "bg" means background and "fg" means foreground. They are meant to be used together, otherwise you can end up with a text color, which will be hard to read due to an unexpected background color. These theme things are very tricky, not mentioning light and dark variants of the (color) themes. :-/ Bye, Milan From poc at usb.ve Thu Aug 28 15:25:59 2025 From: poc at usb.ve (Patrick O'Callaghan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 16:25:59 +0100 Subject: [Evolution-users] Folder highlight colors, Evo 3.57.2 In-Reply-To: <612559b0ee278c20e4118aed95a140b37875482e.camel@gmx.com> References: <612559b0ee278c20e4118aed95a140b37875482e.camel@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2025-08-27 at 11:02 +0200, aguador via evolution-users wrote: > The addition of color to highlight folders with unread emails in the > latest Evo is a nice touch, and recognize that Evo is under the Gnome > umbrella so the use of Adwaita blue is to be expected -- and fully > legible in both light and dark themes. However, any plans to have the > option in settings to use the Gtk theme highlight color? Just be aware that odd-numbered versions are in testing. Stable releases are even-numbered. poc